BBC 6 minute English-Evolution and anxiety

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.Rob: Hello. This is 6 Minute English I’m Rob

.Neil: And I’m Neil

?Rob: Do you ever experience anxiety, Neil

?Neil: Anxiety

.Rob: Yes, you know, a feeling of being really worried or nervous without any real reason

.Neil: Well not really, but I know for some people it can be quite a serious problem

.Rob: Well anxiety may be a result of natural selection

?Neil: Natural selection? You mean, the principle behind evolution

Rob: Yes. The idea that life on this planet has developed as a result of random changes in biology over many many years

Neil: So why have anxiety, that seems like a negative rather than a positive thing to develop

Rob: Well, we’ll find out more in this programme, but before we do, a quiz. Charles Darwin is famous for describing evolution by natural selection. What was the name of the ship he travelled on when he made his discoveries? Was it a) HMS Beagle b) HMS Badger, or ?c) HMS Bear ?What do you think, Neil

Neil: Well I’m pretty sure I know this one, so I’m not going to give away the answer just yet

Rob: Well, you can let me know at the end of the programme, before I give the answer. Right, Dr Randolph Nesse is a doctor and psychologist. He has written a lot about how evolution has an impact on our mental condition, particularly anxiety. Recently he spoke on BBC Radio 4’s ‘Start the Week’ programme about this topic. Listen out for the answer to this question. How long did he treat patients at the University of Michigan for

Dr Randolph Nesse

Natural selection has shaped all organisms to have special states to cope with certain kinds of circumstances. I treated patients with anxiety disorders for 40 years at the University of Michigan. It was only half way through that I started realising that anxiety is there for a good reason

?Rob: So Neil, how long did he treat patients for at the University of Michigan

Neil: He says that he did that for 40 years, but it was only after about 20 years or so that he realised that we suffer from anxiety for a good reason

Rob: We’ll find out that reason shortly but first he said that natural selection has shaped all organisms. This means that we are the result of natural selection. It has made us what we are

Neil: And it has made us able to cope with different situations. To cope with means being able to deal with, being able to manage a difficult situation

Rob: And anxiety, if it’s not too great, is a way of dealing with particular situations. Let’s hear from Dr Nesse again

Dr Randolph Nesse

Natural selection has shaped all organisms to have special states to cope with certain kinds of circumstances. I treated patients with anxiety disorders for 40 years at the University of Michigan. It was only half way through that I started realising that anxiety is there for a good reason

Rob: So why is anxiety a necessary thing, why is it something that, within reason, is not a bad emotion. Here’s Dr Nesse talking about his patients who suffer from too much anxiety

Dr Randolph Nesse

What you’re having is a normal kind of emergency response which is great in life-threatening situations but for you it’s a false alarm like a smoke detector going off when you burn the toast. And after that many of my patients said – Oh, that makes perfect sense, I think I won’t need your help after all, doctor

?Rob: So what is anxiety

Neil: Well, it’s your body reacting to danger, like an emergency response, a warning. In really dangerous situations, which could harm you or even kill you, which Dr Nesse describes as life-threatening situations, it’s a useful response to warn you to take action or to prepare for action

Rob: But some people experience anxiety when there is no real danger. It’s a false alarm, like when you burn the toast and the smoke detector alarm starts or as he says, goes off! And he says that some patients can feel less worried after that, when they realise anxiety is a natural thing Let’s hear from Dr Nesse again

Dr Randolph Nesse

What you’re having is a normal kind of emergency response which is great in life-threatening situations but for you it’s a false alarm like a smoke detector going off when you burn the toast. And after that many of my patients said – Oh, that makes perfect sense, I think I won’t need your help after all, doctor

Rob: Time now to review today’s vocabulary, but first, let’s have the answer to the quiz question. What was the name of the ship Charles Darwin travelled on when he made his discoveries about evolution? Was it a) HMS Beagle b) HMS Badger, or ?c) HMS Bear ?What do you think, Neil

.Neil: Well, I’m pretty sure it’s HMS Beagle

Rob: Well, you are right. Charles Darwin travelled on HMS Beagle. Congratulations if you also knew that. Now, on with today’s vocabulary. We were talking about anxiety, a feeling of being worried or scared, a feeling that something isn’t quite right

Neil: Dr Nesse suggests that anxiety is a result of natural selection. This is the principle of evolution whereby random changes in the biology of a living thing can make it more likely to survive in a particular environment

Rob: These changes shape the living thing. They make it what it is. They help it to cope with different situations. Which means that they help it manage or deal with those situations

Neil: A life-threatening situation is a very dangerous situation which could cause serious injury or even death

Rob: And finally there was the phrasal verb to go off. For example, if an alarm goes off, it means that is starts making a loud noise as a warning. Right, before any alarms start to go off here, we need to wrap up. That’s all from us today, do join us again next time. Until then, you can find us online, on social media and on our app. Look out for bbclearningenglish. Bye for now

!Neil: Goodbye